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Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.15 21:10:00 - [1] Oh hi, guys! What's going on in this thread? (Miss me?)
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.15 22:08:00 - [2] Originally by: General Ric Yes it might be slightly or even severely damaged, but clearly it is still useful to the "owner" in some capacity. The "Owner" is whoever gets to it first, and believe me, it's very useful!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.16 14:23:00 - [3] Originally by: Chruker Why the hell is the loot protected by the aggression system when the salvage isnt? That doesnt make any f..... sense If you read the CCP response... Originally by: CCP Prism X If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further. ...you would already know the answer to your question.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Belmarduk I STILL feel that the salvage from MY Mission belongs to me - ever since salvage was introduced. Period. Too bad. If you read between the lines of what CCP said, it wasn't made for Mission Runners, exclusively. It was, in fact made for Ninja Salvagers. Originally by: Belmarduk Ninja-Salvagers are hiding behind the aggression system. Period. I'm not, and I built a Corporation and Alliance to prove it. Perhaps you're talking about NPC Ninja Salvagers, hmm? Originally by: Belmarduk Make it so that EVERYTHING is freely lootable or that EVERYTHING is not. Period. It used to be, and then people whined about people stealing their stuff. Way back when, jetcans didn't give aggro! If you dumped it in space and somebody took it, tough nuts for you. If you're asking for a return to this mechanic, hell, I'm all for it. Originally by: Belmarduk If someone takes my salvage in highsec I want to be able to kill him. Period. That's what losec is for, son. Your arguments are not well thought out, and quite frankly, your post has left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Suck it up, princess. This is EvE, and the salvage belongs to whoever is fastest. (...and that's usually me.) Period.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.19 21:47:00 - [5] Originally by: MPaladin Heh wondered how long it would take for you to show up. I was reading this thread for a couple days, while out of game time, and it was killing me. (Not reading my own name, or someone complaining about my opinions, I mean.) Originally by: MPaladin Personally I find some (not all) ninja looters sort of cowardly, but hey CCP says its not exploiting to salvage a wreck. Personally I salvage my wrecks when possible, and I have no problem with someone who wants to salvage as long as they ask if its ok first. Sometimes they get a no and sometimes they get a yes go ahead, just depends on my mood at the time. I'm of a similar mind. I hate that NPC's are permitted to Ninja Salvage, and think that it's a privilege, not a right. Restrict NPC chars to Mining and Mission Running to a point, and then, they hit the glass ceiling. As for asking - it's similar for me. If someone asks me to stop, and I'm in a good mood (and they're polite - that's key) I might. If they're a dick, screw em.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.20 02:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Mordrake Salvage is a viable profession, did you ever watch the Beachcombers? /me shudders and wonders how we ever got a truly Canadian reference like "The Beachcombers" in here. Of course, if you want to call me "The King Of Kensington", then that's a different story. Just don't relegate my profession to that terrible, terrible show.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.20 19:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Vanderie I second this notion. Furthermore, this thread is a solid block of "bawwww" and tears. You rang? TEARS is capitalized, btw. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.21 13:50:00 - [8] Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja Holy Mary, Mother of God that's a lot of text. Please tell me you have this available for copypasta, and that you simply don't type it every single time.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Shoot the wrecks and/or not mission in a system every other stupid mission-*****-clone-and-his-alts are in. WHAAAAAT??? What kind of language are you bringing to our threadnought, Ankh? (...and I had held you in such high esteem, too.) We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.21 22:50:00 - [10] Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja Nope, I just type fairly quickly. :\| /me wonders if he should hire AnonyTerrorNinja to type up his next Blog post... We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.22 14:30:00 - [11] /me waves his hand at the screen and walks away. "Bah. Salvage Rights? I have all the Salvage Rights I need, right here." We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:21:00 - [12] Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 22/01/2009 15:22:18 Originally by: Roy Batty68 What this does is give everyone what they want. There are people on both sides of the debate wanting salvaging to criminal flag the "thief". Ok, the functionality is there. But only for 30 minutes. Move it or lose it. Try three minutes - because if you don't fit a salvager, or have a buddy, tough luck. Oh, and while we're on the 'timer' idea, make Mission Wreck loot follow the same rule. Hey, if we're giving the 'ownership' of the wreck to the Mission Runner, even on a timer, then the loot should also be fair game when the timer expires. (After all, most people have a very greedy sense of entitlement and assume all things - even loot - in their mission is therefore theirs by right.)
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.22 17:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Piratejoe I'd rather have a new module, something like a Deadspace Amp module. Pro's: Makes it hard too almost impossible too scan down mission runners in high sec. That's already happened - prior to a year ago, scanning was ~85%+ more effective, allowing a Ninja Salvager to scan down an EXPONENTIALLY LARGER number of Mission Runners. So, in effect, you got your 'new module' without having to sacrifice anything. Originally by: Roy Batty68 The three minute thing wouldn't fly and you know it. If you're gonna compromise, you gotta be a bit realistic. You know as well as I that people would complain about "only" 30 minutes. "It takes me an hour and a half to do whatever Extraveganza blah blah blah". You're right - it may take an hour and half to do the entire Mission, but once a shipwreck is formed, do you think it should take 30 minutes for them to salvage it? Count it for what it is - a three minute window to salvage that wreck, more than enough time for a tractor beam to engage, pull it in, and extract the contents. As it is today, bring a salvage buddy or fit a tractor. As it is, I believe I'm being more than fair giving them a 3 minute window of ownership.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.27 13:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Stab Wounds Salvaging is profit without any risk. Salvage thieves should get a flag. Mission Running is playing EvE with training wheels. Mission Runners should get a helmet. Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux hey Tchell, where is that thread? i ment to post there. Sadly, this is said thread. Of course, it's come back down to the "I don't care what CCP said, it's gonna change - I know it!" from the Missionbears. Oh, and posting in a "Tchell Dahhn gets recognized as the Authority on Ninja Salvaging" thread. (...and for that, Jesslyn, I salute you.) We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.01 22:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Sagacious Z I get it! I really, really get it! He does. Really! Now, why can't Mission Runners understand?
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.01 23:06:00 - [16] Originally by: TamiyaCowboy Because CCP would rather ignore the point put across by people like you and myself. hide behind thier own reason and feed us plenty of pony and trap. Read page one, genius. Originally by: TamiyaCowboy so CCP tell us why is salvage a none hostile agro? surely what comes from a ship is the owners, salvage is classed as loot correct? Wrong. Therein lies your first mistake. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.01 23:33:00 - [17] Originally by: TamiyaCowboy go back too dodixe, i was not asking you, and for teh dev in first page. Excuse me, but as I am the resident expert on Ninja Salvaging, I am more than capable at addressing your lack of understanding in regards to what the Devs are talking about. You completely missed the point of EvE being "hostile". Since Mission Runners assume zero risk when playing vs. NPCs, the Devs of CCP are more than happy to inject the sinister element of PvP into the game via Ninja Salvagers and Looters. Now, if you don't mind, I'll just be going back to doing my job as the Emperor of Dodixie. (In the future, I would appreciate you addressing me as such, and showing me the respect I so rightly deserve.) Originally by: Concorduck Because a Dev said it, and Tchell is right (THERE, I SAID IT, I'LL WAIT FOR MY PAYMENT) ISK sent. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.01 23:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Jernau Riggs Eve is just like real life, in real life there are people who like to play with themselves and get fat eating Cheetos, in eve its the Mission Runners. I salute all the eve players who spend their time online playing with themselves, personnally i have better things to do. I fixed it for you. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.02 00:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Jernau Riggs Personally i can not think of anything more boring than mission running, I rat in 00, please feel free to try and salvage my wrecks I'll be sure to do that when you *post with your main.*
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.02 02:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Mintoko We simply think it's too easy for you to come in and swipe salvage that we had every intention of cleaning up, while we contend with the NPCs. That's leeching. Go create your own wrecks. Why would I want to play against NPC's, when I have more fun playing against other players? Originally by: Mintoko Go do missions yourself and leave us alone. Not an option. I don't run Missions, and I don't care to leave you alone. (Not you personally - don't flatter yourself. Those like you, however, are fair game. Originally by: Mintoko Don't give me this, "Oh...well....the salvager too has invested time and ISK by finding the site in the first place..." or "Check the definition of salvage..." or "The Dev said, the Dev said!" Why not? If a Mission Runner has the right to use their skills, why don't we? Originally by: Mintoko For those of you who like to toss out the definition of salvage as being abandoned or refused... it's not refused or abandoned if we are still in the area. I physically have to LEAVE in order for it to be abandoned. Well, guess what. You might be right. You may not have abandoned it, but if you're not fast enough, you're damn right I'm going to get to it first. If you haven't figured out how to defend it, then that's really not my fault. Originally by: Mintoko It's obvious you've made up your mind and stood firm on your position, so go somewhere else and leave us alone. You're not going to convince us of anything. Leave you alone? No thanks. I'm having too much of a good time filling my ship with your tears. As for convincing you, I'm not interested. I'm far more interested in bringing you to the brink of that spitting, swearing Mission Runner I know you are. Oh yeah, and that junk you left in that can. Yes, that stuff too. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.02 13:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Johli This thread is the cancer that is killing EVE, we must burn it and ironically execute it's supporters by pulling them apart using the tractor beams of a ninja salvaging frigate. Go back to /b... Oh, wait. You said Salvaging Frigate! OMG, this is one of the first times I've ever seen anyone acknowledge the fact that a Salvage Frigate trumps all other ship choices. +1 Internets to you, my friend.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.02 16:15:00 - [22] Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja Can't tractor wrecks that don't 'belong' to you because of mechanics to keep lag as low as possible. Damn. I was about to come in here and say, "Anony, please no more postnoughts!" and here you go and post a nice, short response. Kudos.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.02 18:32:00 - [23] Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja I still maintain that not all of your members are as nooby as you :3 Ahem.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.17 20:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Monikerina Becuase the devs say so? No, because you Mission Runners make it too damn easy to do so. Learn your job, and our job wouldn't be as easy as it is. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.18 14:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Epegi Givo Present me with an argument against this and I will happily defeat it for you. You first. Don't you know who I am? We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.19 13:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Morsus Argent It can only be concluded that 'ninja' salvagers are, for the most part, idiots, wusses, or both. Coming from an Alt who's afraid to post with their Main, or open up their Corp/Alliance to wardec (NPC Alt, anyone?) your words mean nothing. And you can ask my 100+ Corpmates why they choose to be in a Corporation and not hiding out. It can only be concluded that you, my sad little friend, are pathetic. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.19 14:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Morsus Argent I'm hiding in an NPC Corp, and pretending to play with the "Big Boys" who actually get EvE. Shhhhhh! I've seen your kind before. You're a troll, and I'll pay you no further mind. If you ever do become relevant, let me know. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:33:00 - [28] Originally by: CCP Prism X I have created a monster.. ...and her name is Tchell Dahhn. Empress of Dodixie, Master of the Threadnought. I am to Ninja Salvaging what Chribba is to Mining. And for that, New Eden thanks you! We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Taking mission objectives is petitionable and more importantly, bannable. Sorry, but that's not true. Certainly, you can petition it, but you won't get anywhere with that. An enterprising Mod might 'give' you the Mission Item (which is wrong) or they might reset your Mission for you (also wrong), but more likely than not, they'll tell you to either turn in the Mission incomplete, or else, wait for it to reset on its own after downtime. And it's also not a bannable offense. Mods have stated that purposefully griefing Players in a Starter System is a no-no, but even then, I don't believe Mods are outwardly banning accounts without a stern warning ahead of time. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.19 23:41:00 - [30] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker To be fair, Tchell, you do hide behind the 50-million-ISK war declaration fee by joining an alliance even though you're almost a solo corp. Yes, because the 1B ISK I dropped to create the Alliance was just to go hiding out from our War Targets. You're still a Member of our Forums, Joe. Perhaps you should reacquaint yourself with why, exactly, I created TEARS. It's certainly not to hide from our War Targets. If anything, we've opened our Member Corporations up to wardecs from larger Corporations - ones that recognize the value of bringing the fight when they wardec us. And as you're aware, we're also spending the ISK to declare our own wars, so it's certainly not because we're afraid of anything. We're Recruiting!

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